The Purpose Trap That's Destroying Men with Chad M. Brignac

The suit fits, the numbers look great, and the applause is loud—so why does it still feel off inside? We sit down with leadership guide and speaker Chad Brignac to explore the uncomfortable gap between external performance and internal peace. Chad opens up about the tragedies that shattered his autopilot—losing his first wife and later becoming a full-time caregiver after his wife’s stroke—and how those moments exposed a “broken legacy” built on results over relationships.

What follows is a candid road map for men who lead at work but feel like strangers at home. Chad redefines emotional intelligence as clarity, not suppression: notice the trigger, pause, ask why, and deal with the roots—fear, pride, old vows—rather than the surface behaviour. 

You’ll hear practical frameworks you can use today. Calibrate your people compass so success doesn’t come at the expense of relationships. Learn how blind spots show up like lane changes. If your legacy feels “off,” this conversation offers a way to rebuild from the inside out and measure success by inner peace, not just titles.

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Key moments in this episode:

02:24 Guest Introduction: Chad Brina's Journey

03:26 Facing Personal Tragedy and Transformation

06:32 Discovering Inward Alignment

10:04 The Power of Vulnerability and Emotional Intelligence

12:20 Blend Don't Break: Leadership Lessons

19:36 Recognizing Blind Spots and Growth

32:22 The Greenhouse Effect: Creating a Healthy Environment

34:50 Conclusion and Final Thoughts 

How to reach Chad:

Website: https://chadmbrignac.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chadmbrignac

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chadmbrignac/

YouTube: https://youtube.com/@chadmbrignac?feature=shared

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mark-collins-freedom-for-life

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/chadmbrignac/about

Chapters

• 0:05 The Cost Of Hollow Success
• 1:21 Mission: Power With Purpose
• 2:48 Introducing Chad Brignak
• 3:26 Tragedy As A Wake-Up Call
• 5:16 A Broken Legacy Revealed
• 7:22 From Building Things To Building People
• 10:20 “I Don’t Even Like People”
• 13:36 The Power In The Pause
• 16:19 Faith, Triggers, And Inner Roots
• 18:20 Blend Don’t Break: Family Lessons
• 21:12 Vulnerability And Compassionate Leadership
• 24:04 Redefining Success As Inner Peace
• 26:45 Finding And Fixing Blind Spots
• 30:20 Calibrating The People Compass
• 33:10 Practical Advice For Stuck High Performers

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:05

There comes a time or even a moment in every man's life when the suit fits, the bank account's growing, the accolades are up, but inside something still feels a little bit off. It's that silent tension of success without the fulfillment. And maybe you're admired at work, but you feel like a stranger at home. And maybe you lead others well, but you can't look yourself in the mirror without feeling disconnected. And so today we're going to pull back the curtain on what really, what it really takes for us to lead, not just in the boardroom, but in our relationships, in our faith, in our internal world. And so because power without purpose truly leaves us empty, the performance without alignment eventually starts to crumble. And so this episode is about breaking that cycle. So if this is a kind of message that's going to resonate with you, then if you're ever feeling like you're winning in one area of life but losing where it counts, then I'd like you to take a moment right now and smash that like button, subscribe, and share this episode. It's your support that helps us spread this vital message to men who are ready to lead with both impact and integrity. And with that, let's get on with today's episode.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24

Yet the hunger still exists, albeit buried amidst discluttered mind, misguided beliefs, and values that no longer serve him. It's time to align yourself for greatness. It's time to become a revolutionary man. Stay strong, my brother.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43

Welcome back, everyone, to the Revolutionary Man Podcast. My name is Alan DiMontzo. I'm the host of this show and the founder of the Revolutionary Man Movement. And my mission here is to help men lead with power and purpose and integrity in every area of our life, from faith to family and business and with personal growth. But before the break, we unpacked a hard truth that external successes doesn't always equal internal peace, does it? Maybe men chase titles, maybe we chase money, maybe it's even recognition, but only to find ourselves feeling empty at the end of the day. What if that breakthrough that you're looking for isn't external at all? Then what if the real transformation begins within? And so today's guest knows this journey all too well. Chad Brignak is a transformationalist speaker consultant and brings high-performance leaders to help them find alignment, emotional intelligence, and purpose. The trans profit and a seasoned construction industry leader who has turned leadership guide, his leadership guide, and Chad's personal wake-up call almost cost him everything. I'm sure we're going to get into that today. Since then, he's devoted his life to helping others reclaim who they truly are from the inside out. Welcome to the show, Chad. How are things, my friend?

SPEAKER_02: 2:55

Going great. Really enjoying living and walking and breathing inside my purpose. I'm looking forward to the show.

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

Oh, I love that. I love the sound of that. Absolutely. We're all about living within and purpose and really looking forward to our conversation today. And so my opening question for you today, Chad, is you're going to talk about all of us being on a hero's quest of some sort. And then your journey, tell us about that moment in your life when you knew things had to change. What shifted for you? And what how did that shape you into the man you are today?

SPEAKER_02: 3:26

Yeah, so for me, it was tragedy that struck that really put me in a position to be able to look at my life from a different perspective. My wife had a massive stroke in 2019, December 1st. And it wasn't even in that instant moment. It was when my head came up above the water a year and a half later after my only focus was to make sure she was cared for and I was a full-time caregiver. But as I pulled my head up out of the water, I looked at all the things that I had accomplished in the business world and all the things that I had built in construction. And I looked around at the people that I had influenced and who I had around me, including my family, and I realized that my legacy was broken. And it was in that moment I had to say, Chad, you're responsible for everything broken around you. Don't blame anyone or anything else except the fact that you are responsible for all of it. I didn't say that because it was true or not true. I said that because it needed to put my internal being into a position that was ready to grow.

SPEAKER_00: 4:30

That's such a powerful statement that you talked about your legacy was broken. And how often do we get an opportunity to face that monster in our lives that when we consider the work that we're doing, we talked about in the intro a little bit about how we chase titles or we chase success. And you ended up by having to face this reality. And so tell us a little bit more about what you mean by legacy being broken.

SPEAKER_02: 4:56

Yeah, so for me, my legacy is my life gonna live on from the people that I've touched. My wife, my children, my grandchildren, those that I worked with, worked alongside of. Are they gonna remember Chad Brignack because the impact that he made into their lives and the value that he added? Are they gonna remember Chad Brignack also briefly because he built a lot of big things? And my legacy was about building things. It wasn't about building people. And I realized that I had a lot of opportunity to influence others to be great, to find their purpose, to walk in their purpose. But it was the way I was, it was the way I was brought up, it was the way I was trained, it was the way I learned that business, the way I learned the industry, that built walls around my life that didn't let people in. And I didn't know those walls were constructed, and I certainly didn't know I was hiding behind them until this moment when I had to peek over the top and go, my hands have not touched the life the way that I expected them to. And that's what I meant by my legacy was broken.

SPEAKER_00: 6:07

Yeah, it makes so much sense to me, Chad, when you say that. Oh, it rings all very true in my life as well. Building a lot of other things, things that I felt were important, especially at the time, only to recognize that what was truly valuable and truly important had nothing to do with really business success. It has more to do with the impact I'm making on family and on friends and people that are that I care about. And so you talk a lot about the difference between looking what outward success looks like and then this inward alignment. So, how did you discover? You obviously with your wife's stroke, that was one step in the process. You're starting to unpack here for us a little bit about understanding that you were out of alignment. And so, how did you start to course correct?

SPEAKER_02: 6:54

Yeah, so the journey began long before that. That was the wake-up call. I had many wake-up calls prior. I actually lost my first wife at age 28. She was 30 years old, she passed away instantly of a cerebral aneurysm. Was remarried about a year later, and we blended our family, which that brought its own events of opportunity for me to transform and grow. But there was a moment in my life where I was in a conversation with a pastor of mine, and the conversation was challenging me to speak differently to people, to change my tone, change my voice, and the way that I communicate, and the words came out of me that said, you don't realize I don't even like people. That's not how I really felt. That's not how I thought I felt. But because I was determined that no one was going to ever hurt me, because I was determined that I was gonna not care what people thought of me, and I was gonna pursue the things that I knew I needed to pursue, provide well for my family, love my family, do things for my family, and be there as a provisionary. I didn't care what others thought of me. I didn't care if they thought my success came with collateral damage. It didn't matter to me what other people thought. And that developed within me, and it doesn't develop for everybody, but that developed within me the way I protected myself was I started to just not like people. That was the defining moment, and that was about 15 years ago. And that's when the journey really began to go, what how could I end up there? Because that's not the heart, that's not the person, that's not who I ever wanted to be. And those words shocked even me. Then the stroke happened roughly seven years later or so, eight years later, as I'm on this journey and having challenges from business owners, co-workers, business partners, my wife, who is the extrovert in the environment. And I'm constantly being challenged internally to change how I view people. I did have a shift in that moment to say I care what people think of me. It's how I process that matters. So it shifted, and I said, I don't want to be the guy that doesn't like people. I want to love people, I want to follow Christ as far as related to people. I want to see people in a new way. That was easy to say, and about a 12-year journey to get to, which is where I am today. And it was in that moment after the stroke when my head came up above the water to go, that had hurt me. I had planted more seeds in that season of my life before I recognized I didn't like people, that I had not done enough to cultivate new seed or plant new seed over the next 12 years, although I was growing on the inside. And it was that openness and vulnerability to say, I'll take ownership of all of it. I don't need to know what happened or why it happened. I just need to know that I'm at fault.

unknown: 9:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:59

Because in order for me to plant new seed, something had to change within me. So my process began with just a level of starting to look at vulnerability as a positive thing. Not going to be afraid for people to get close enough to hurt me. I'm not going to be afraid for people to say things that trigger. Do I still get triggered? I still get triggered now. It was how I looked at those triggers. I started a journey to say, okay, if something triggered me, I want to know why. I don't want to react. I don't want to overreact. I want to simply just know why. And when I started to ask the why did that trigger me, and I drilled down into the reason I got triggered, I started to discover the roots of pain in my life that created fear and insecurity and pride and ego. And I would work backwards into those roots. And then I would just ask the Lord to start to deal with those roots and I would move on to the next trigger. But it it's constantly the question of if something hits me on the inside, my first reaction now is a pause. And there's so much power in the pause. I want to know why. And then I respond out of love, regardless of the trigger, because typically every time it happens, it's never the person that triggered me. It's never the situation that triggered me. It's always something deeper and bigger from my past, or there's something that still needs growth within me.

SPEAKER_00: 11:30

That is so true. I'm just made to note that the power is in the pause. And I think that is such a power, it's really a truly a powerful remembrance for all of us to recognize that really what you're talking about as being is truly being emotionally intelligent, leaders of ourselves first and foremost. And then taking the having the courage, the confidence to be vulnerable enough to accept that something here is happening. And you're absolutely right. It's very little, if anything, to do with the immediacy of that moment. It has everything to do, most of it to do with what we've processed from lessons in the past. And so being able to help us bring it forward into the present, we can start to deal with things. And I like that you've leaned on faith to also help you take off this burden because that's what it's truly there for to help us relieve some of this burden. And so you talk about in your book Blend Ben Bend Don't Break. You address this dynamic, this idea of these dynamic families. So let's talk about how that leadership lesson there really helped apply to how you're teaching men and families to lead in these types of environments.

SPEAKER_02: 12:38

Yeah, so it's a play on bend don't break, it's blend don't break. Right on. You had it right the first time. Yes. Creating your family secret sauce, which now that book is out, and I've read it five times, and I'm on my sixth time reading it. It's going to become a series: Blend Don't Break, Creating Your Business's Secret Sauce, Blend Don't Break, Creating Your Church's Secret Sauce. I am already working on the outlines for those books. So they'll be coming out over the next couple of years. Because the leadership lessons that came out of the book that wasn't intended as we were writing it, we just we set out to write a book that would be supportive of blended families to not walk through what we walk through. To break out of there, learn behaviors, personal vows, insecurities, learn to forgive, clean the slate, recognize that you don't need a traumatic event in your life in order to grow. You can make a choice. And if you think about it, everybody has faced some sort of trauma because trauma is your perspective of what happened to you. We could see as adults that our children didn't face trauma. We actually even thought that. But then when we got their perspective in the book, because they each have a chapter in which they were interviewed in the book, we recognized that was real trauma to them. And it didn't matter what our perspective was. And that's where we realized in the business world, people are in your room that have real trauma to them. And we just push that aside as though they don't have a right to feel that way or think that way. And we have to start recognizing people's rights to have certain feelings. It's the only way we're going to be able to grow together and everybody find their unique purpose. So in the process of writing the book, I became more vulnerable. My life is exposed in that book, my mistakes, my anger, which is my defense mechanism to deal with everything that affected me. The fact that my work became my safe space because I felt accepted there. I felt accomplished there. I didn't feel as accomplished at home, but I would treat my home as though it was a business because I felt more confident there at work, and that spiro just continued to get worse and impact my family and impact my career because I made more career moves than I would have made had I had a healthy home environment. I was always searching for that peace, and I always would find it in becoming a workaholic, putting in the 80, 90 hours a week, being challenged with new projects, with new things I could accomplish that others couldn't do, doing it faster than others, doing it better than others. And I just left a wake of destruction as far as related to people. And in the book, that level of vulnerability began to show me three things that I was learning about myself and discovering that I had changed from not having to having. I lacked self-awareness. I gained it in the process of writing the book. I lacked emotional intelligence. I not only gained emotional intelligence, but I have a new perspective on what emotional intelligence is. And it's more than just regulating your emotions the way that it's been taught. It's that clarity and understanding of what that emotion means and why you have it. You can regulate it by suppressing it, but when you feel pressure, you're going to realize you never grew in emotional intelligence because what comes out when you get squeezed is going to be exactly the person that you are. So I look for opportunities to be squeezed because I want to know that I changed and grew in emotional intelligence. And then finally, compassionate leadership, modeling after Christ, how he walked in compassion. He had a way of communicating with people and showing love first, which gave him opportunity to speak bold truth. And people received it. Whether they agreed or not, they still received it. And that compassionate leadership clearly begins with servant leadership, but it's the model of my life is not more important than someone else's. I'm willing to put that life aside to give someone a moment to find their purpose, to find their place, to be accepted for who they are and where they are. Those three things have begun to shift my consulting business. I was always operations and strategic minded and systems. And I changed my business model to start consulting on this inner work because I believe true success is inner peace, not outward outward performance or position. That all came from this process of writing this book. That was the accumulation of my transformational growth over the last two years. It started in November of 2023. And that process has been the accumulation of taking my personal growth and my transformation full circle to bring me to a place of this understanding that I have now. And the things that I was fighting to learn now start to come natural. That pause is natural. The response instead of the reaction is natural. Again, I'll repeat the triggers are still there. But they don't, they're like a signal light. Hey, they just turn yellow, start to slow down, it's red, stop. It's not a car crash. It's not somebody throwing a fist at me. It's not the way I used to feel it before, but they're still there.

SPEAKER_00: 18:35

I think that's the key, really that key for growth, isn't it? Is being able to recognize that our ability to grow and change as men isn't about eliminating these things, this part of our lives. We talk in our work about that being the shadow work, these triggers, these things that are happening below the surface for us. And we don't want to address it. But if we willing to have the courage and be have that vulnerable confidence that you talk about as well, and lean into that, we can we can start to have different mechanisms to deal with that. And it's obvious through hearing your story that you've been able to transition that from something that is was a reactive state to being much more of from a pause and be able to be respond in a way that makes more sense. And so through that journey, though, you must have recognized that there were some blind spots that you had. And maybe now in your consulting work, maybe there's some patterns or some common blind spots you're seeing that other individuals. And let's talk about those for a couple minutes.

SPEAKER_02: 19:35

Blind spots, I still have. Blind spots, I'm gonna have, I believe, the rest of my life. I have my second book coming out called The Visionary Storm, and we reference blind spots. They come in two ways. They come in, we gotta look in the mirror to reflect on ourselves. But even when we look in the mirror, just as we're changing lanes in the car, there's certain, unless we navigate for forever trying to find every spot, we're gonna miss a spot. And we have a potential to not see a car or motorbike which is smaller on the side of us when we change lanes. But if we spend too much time in that mirror, we're not looking forward. So then we can rear end something in front of us. That's how our life is. So for me, that's the first way of blind spots. And then for me, I reflect long enough to gain growth from it. I reflect no long enough for it to serve a purpose in my today. And then I don't ever use it again. From that reflection, though, I recognize that even though I reflected, I still may have missed something. So this open and vulnerable life is that when I do say something that is that comes off wrong or it's different from what I believe I grow past, I hear it now. I feel it, I sense it. And then I let others in. So I let anyone in my world, stranger or known, impact my life and show me my blind spots. And I don't take anything that's said back to me personally, I take it as help. I take it as an opportunity to grow. So right now, there's certain things my wife does that I still revert, I want to revert back to that anger thing, and that's a blind spot for me. I'll get a question that catches me off guard, and I'll nowhere near snap back the way I used to, but there's a reaction that I'm like, okay, that's not you. And I'll go to her and I'll say what I just did, how did I? And because it's so much better, it impacted her less, but it still impacted her. I have I was at an environment, and this is a good story for this, and a lady was frustrated picking up her service, which she expected to get. The people that I was with, they were helping her the best they possibly could, but she was miserable. And it showed in the attitude, and it culminated with her saying, Y'all have an amazing day, and we say, You too, and she goes, I won't. And I recognize okay, that was in sarcasm when she said, Have an amazing day. And she's really determined in her life that she's not going to today because this event derailed her life a little bit. Yeah. Everyone else started to make comments, and I sat back quietly and I go, Have I ever done that? Did I ever act like that? And if I'm gonna stand here today and say she doesn't have a right to act that way, why did I have a right to act that way in the past? And how do I avoid doing that again in the future? So that's what I mean by everyone impacts my life. It doesn't matter if it's a good situation or a bad situation. I'm looking for the opportunity to not pinpoint that person out or look at that person in a way, but let that person show me. Yeah. The other blind spots are things that we don't see coming from the side of us. Things we don't see coming at a high speed and a high rate of speed. And there's people in our lives that are saying, like my wife used to tell me all the time, Chad, you can't talk to people that way. Babe, we gotta be more engaged with people. Babe, we gotta spend more time with these people. You gotta do this with your sons, you gotta do it separately with your sons. I'll come home and share a work story and go, you talk to them like that? Yeah, that's how I was raised. But does that matter? Those things are just coming at you. And there's very little things that I learned that require an emergency type of response from us in our life. And when we posture ourselves to be able to recognize that very little things require that kind of reaction, we can slow down enough to hear other people giving us warning. And in my book, I wrote my story, I pulled out in traffic. I didn't pull out in traffic, I pulled out after a train and I got sideswiped in my mom's car. I was 15 years old. I learned later that the people were flagging me, they were blowing the horn at me. They were trying to get my attention loud and clear. But because my radio was up, because I was the 15-year-old son, the youngest boy driving my mom's brand new car that my brothers didn't get to drive. My pride was up, my ego was up, my music was up, and I was just in my zone, and no one was gonna penetrate me, and I didn't need anyone's help. And that's a model of successful leaders. That I'm the king, I'm in charge, I'm accomplishing all these things. We're making billions, we're making millions, we're, and no one's gonna impact my life, and that leaves us vulnerable to so many blind spots. And those blind spots generally always impact relationships. They rarely impact business success. I do want to say, and I've been saying, I've been thinking it since the start of the call, there's nothing wrong with business success. It's when it comes at the expense of people.

SPEAKER_00: 26:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 26:06

Then there's a major issue with business success. I'm an advocate for business success. Of course, I want a successful consulting business, a successful speaking business. I want to write 25 more books over the next 10 years. We all want success, but my people compass was off. And I had to dial in my people compass over the last two years. Transformation began long before that, but over the last two years I had to get really serious and dial in my people compass. And the way I did that is to put aside business success. It had no value for me whatsoever. That was the road I had to travel. Does everyone have to travel that? Not necessarily, but I did. You gotta find that road you have to travel, and that's gonna show you a purpose. And some people may be living in their purpose in that CEO seat, in that COO seat, in that president, that business owner. That may be their purpose. They just need some refinement in how they navigate every day so they can bring people around them and find fulfillment in relationship and find internal healing. So everyone's journey is different, but the outcome of inner peace is the only real success.

SPEAKER_00: 27:33

Yeah, I completely agree with you. And just as you're talking about purpose, and we started this podcast today talking about that, and that it does become, I find more and more, you know, individuals that I have on the show, and I look back at my life as well, we do get wrapped up in this purpose trap, right? Where we feel that we're living our purpose, so to speak, at the ex, but at times it's at the expense of other things. And you can still be in purpose. And I like how you're framing this for us is that we can still be in purpose and still refine and re and recognize that there are other things that are just are just as important to help us because that's where the fulfillment resides. You may be living the career or the piece of your life, and maybe even at your purpose is let's flip it on the other side. Maybe your purpose is all about just being a parent. But if you get lost in that one aspect, you're missing so much more in life. And so, for when I think about how you're talking about purpose and that and the work that you're doing right now, what advice would you give a man who's maybe feel stuck? Like he's performing really well externally, but he is feeling empty and he is feeling disconnected. What would be that advice you'd give him?

SPEAKER_02: 28:49

What I would say is you peel back the curtain to the inner soul and you look at relationships, take away all the business accolades, just look at your relationships. Look around your life to see who's closest, who's putting trust and confidence in you, who's approaching you. And if you based on what you're dying, you'll know how much influence you've gained with people around you. I'm not asking you to ask yourself if you are approachable, if you love your loved ones, if you love your wife, if you love your husband, if you love your kids, if you love your family, your friends, if you believe you're approachable. I'm not asking for any of that. I'm asking you to actually pull back the curtain and see if these people are receiving those things, if they are coming to you, if I tell a story that Amazon can deliver a package and set it outside the door, but if I never open it, I could send it to one of my children, but if it sits outside the door, The door and they never get it and open it, it's not received. So I sent so much love my family's way. But the majority of that was not received because I didn't deal with the issue of why they weren't receiving it. And the reason they wasn't receiving is they didn't feel they were heard, they didn't feel they had a voice, they didn't feel dad was approachable. The people at work didn't feel I was approachable. The people that I was successful with are the ones that had the same bad attitude I did, and we would get a lot of work done. And we would even laugh and cut up. But if they were hurting at home, I would have never heard anything about it. If they were hurting in their relationships, I would have never heard anything about it. And the most vulnerable time I was in my life, in my career, was when my first wife died because everyone knew about it because I took two and a half weeks off of work. So when I showed back up, there was a different attitude towards me for just a season until the jerk came back. Then everything went back to the status quoted it was. And that's the kind of curtain pullback I'm talking about. I had opportunities because people wanted to be there for me. That I could have changed the way I worked with people, talked with people, dealt with people, loved people, led people. I could have changed it all in that moment because life gave me a grand opportunity to do it. And failures to do that for us. Any failure, any difficult time, any traumatic event will give us an opportunity to redirect our people compass, whether we take it or not, is totally up to us.

SPEAKER_00: 31:45

Yes. Love that idea of this people compass. And one of the notes I just wrote down is that they didn't feel that they were heard. And I'm about to address some very challenging conversations this upcoming week. And so thank you for that gentle reminder for me to be aware of that are they being heard? Because I think that is something we tend to maybe forget. And so Chad have just loved this conversation. So of everything that we spoke about today, but maybe there was something we didn't get a chance to touch on. And what would be a takeaway you'd want our listeners to have?

SPEAKER_02: 32:22

One thing we talk about in the book, Blend Don't Break, is the greenhouse effect. And I believe I've shared this on the last couple podcasts that I've been on, that because it's so important to me, this greenhouse effect is telling leaders that you're responsible for the environment in which the plants flourish and grow. You're responsible to keep the temperature controlled, the light controlled, the greenhouse protection sealed and not left open to vomits and things like that. And too many leaders get caught up in I'm responsible to bend and shape and nurture the plant and direct and shift. And that's the same thing with our people. I'm responsible to push them in this direction or pull them in that direction. And we see plants and trees as they go where we'll put sticks in them and try to get them to go a certain way. All they're shooting for is the light. All they're aiming to get to is the best environment. So if we're having to put sticks and nail ropes and tie these things on them, it's because something happened. Or we're not creating the right environment or the right light for them to grow in the right direction. We have so little to do with what people are drawn to accomplish when we're in their Kool-Aid, when we're constantly trying to shape and mold and direct. And we have so much to do with what they're willing to invest and put in when we create a healthy environment for them to thrive in. That's what I would leave listeners with. It's two dynamics that have revolutionized the way I see my family, business, and the world, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00: 34:47

What a great way for us to wrap up today's conversation. I just want to say, Chad, thank you so much for being an outstanding guest and joining me here today and sharing your wisdom, not just on purpose, being a purpose-driven leader, but also being emotionally intelligent as well and transformative. And so your journey truly is this reminder for us that the greatest leaders are those who choose to lead from within and from listening. For those of us that are listening and you want to connect deeper into your work, what would be the best way for them to do that?

SPEAKER_02: 35:17

The best way is to go to my website, Chadmbrignack.com.

SPEAKER_00: 35:22

Love that. I'm going to make sure that's on in today's show notes as well to wherever else, Chad, you're on social media. Want to make sure that folks get an opportunity to connect with you. Once again, thank you so much, my friend, for being on the show. I love today's conversation.

SPEAKER_02: 35:35

Thank you so much. I enjoyed being here.

SPEAKER_01: 35:49

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